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Interview with Athanase Contagyris by Norbert Häring

Anasthase Contagyris is a French and Greek economist living in Athens. He is Co-Founder of Attac-Greece, CEO of Dialogos Ltd, an Athens  Startup coaching and export facilitation consultancy he founded in 1987. He is a member of the Truth Committee on Public Debt of the Greek Parliament, which recently issued a preliminary report. We met in Frankfurt. He is well conneted, though not a member, to Syriza.

The Interview

Häring: Mr. Contagyris, in Germany many people do not understand the behavior of the Greek government in the negotiations with creditors. It seems to have made quite a few unexpected turns.

Contagyris: This negotiations were a lot like a poker game all along. Players adapted to the hands they had and to what they found out about the cards of their opponents.

What did Syriza hope to achieve in these negotiations?

One of Syriza’s missions was to change Europe. They wanted to act in a European context, within the currency union, but they wanted this context changed. They wanted a much less neoliberal and more solidary Europe. This explains why they were met with such fierce opposition right from the beginning.

Not only was there fierce opposition. Greece seemed to stand alone against 18 opponents. Was that expected by the Government?

The Greek government was indeed expecting  support from countries having common interests with Greece in terms of debt issues, unemployement and austerity policies. That did not include the Governments  of  Spain and Portugal,which had an obvious need  to justify austerity choices against a growing opposition at home. Only in last days they supported Greece against an imposed Grexit, which would have been very harmful for them. For France and Italy the initial hopes were greater. These hopes were disappointed  in all initial contacts. However these two countries have been the most supportive during final talks, even though they backed some of the “punitive” measures imposed to Greece on July 13th. This dual attitude is symptomatic of the European socialist parties attitude on European policies: they are  accepting austerity but ask for growth policies to balance its negative effects.

Tsipras rejected a proposal by the Eurogroup in late June and called for a referendum, just to sign a similar agreement on 13 July  anyway. Did Tsipras overplay his hand? Why did he call the referendum, instead of signing the first proposal?

The Greek negotiation team realized that the other side did not want an agreement that the Greek government could accept when they added a totally new demand to a proposal that was close to agreement. They demanded a vate-rate hike for hotels to 23%. This would have killed large parts of Greek tourism. The Greek negotiation team realized that even if they agreed to this new condition, the creditors would come up with something more. To get out of this, Tsipras called the referendum.

What exactly was the point?

Brussels wanted confront the Syriza-led government with an impossible choice to bring it down. Either it would be blamed by the people for signing a very bad agreement and breaking their election promises, or they would be blamed for being responsible for Greece being thrown out of the Eurozone Tsipras countered that tactic by asking the people. Commission president Juncker exposed the Brussels tactic, then he change the proposal again on the day before the referendum and took out that VAT-hike for hotels that they had inserted in the last minutes to poison the deal for the Greek government (see Reuters-report). Many in Europe still hope and speculate about a downfall of the Syriza-government. But this is wishful thinking. It will not happen. Tsipras is still very popular in Greece. He is ready to call for snap elections, if were should be too many defectors amoung Syriza members of parliament. And everybody is afraid of this. The opposition parties have very low popularity and Syriza defectors are in big danger of losing their seats.

Why is Tsipras still so popular, despite the deal he signed and the promises he broke or had to break?

The Greeks know full well that he was blackmailed and think he did the best he could. They blame the blackmailers, not him.

The Greek people rejected the proposal with a large margin. But then, Tsipras signed something that seems to be even harsher than the initial proposal. Think about the transfer of government assets into a privatization fund meant to pay down debt to creditors. This is not easy to understand.

There are three important aspects to this. One is the poker aspect. Finance minister Varoufakis had negotiated under the premise that talk about a Grexit was essentially a bluff, that the other side would be frightened of a disintegration of the Eurozone if Greece showed readiness to exit if needed. This is why Varoufakis advocated the introduction of a parallel currency in the form of government IOUs after the referendum to show this determination to the other side.

This did not happen, though.

Varoufakis ended up in a minority in the inner cabinet circle, with deputy Prime Minister Dragasakis his main opponent on this. Dragasakis is the most moderate and pro-European amoung the important figures in Syriza and the government. It seems that in the fateful 17-hour negotiations in Brussels Tsipras got convinced that the other side was really ready to force Greece out of the Eurozone. An uncooperative exit with little preparation and with the bank already closed and in desolate shape was really a quite frightening prospect.

The second aspect is that the agreement finally signed is not in all aspects worse than the one offered before the referendum. The rise of te value added tax for hotels to 23% is actually not in the final agreement. Only the VAT on  food served at hotels went up and on restaurants in general. Also, this agreement is for about 80bn euros in loans. The other one was for 7bn. So if Tsipras had signed the first proposal, he would have only gotten a bridge loan to cover payments to the ECB and the IMF. After the summer, negotiations for a new program would have started again, and it is unclear, if the conditions would have been any less harsh than the ones of the agreement that Tsipras signed.

And the third aspect?

Well, do not understand me wrong. The agreement is terrible and it will not work. It will throw the Greek economy in a recession again. It is not unlikely that in a number of months Greece will have to leave the Eurozone anyway, to be able to end this destructive austerity. Then, Tsipras will have won time to do this in a more prepared way, and it might be able to happen in a cooperative way.

This grace period would come at a high price, though, wouldn’t it? Government assets have been transferred to the privatization fund, taxes raised, pensions cut.

Some of this can be reversed. This is even true for the privatization fund. Tsipras prevailed with his demand that it would be set up under Greek law, not under Luxemburg law, as Schäuble wanted. This makes a big difference.

So you don’t think the Greek crisis has been resolved by July 13th agreement?

On the contrary. This agreement transformed  the Greek crisis into a European political crisis, by revealing the authoritarian behavior and role of non-elected informal decision-making structures like the Eurogroup and Troika  in the decision making processes of the Eurozone. This will fuel Euroscepticism in public opinions in countries like France or UK which will be exploited dangerously by nationalist Eurosceptic parties in the next months and years.

You are critical of the procedure, but what about the content?

The July 13th agreement is adding austerity to the hard austerity already imposed on Greece. The economic irrationality this programme which is mostly just aimed at punishing the Greeks and at destabilizing their government will appear soon: The agreement reduces the capacity of Greece to reimburse its debt. This at the end will make the cost higher to European tax payers. Before this agreement the IMF estimated that 30% of Greek debt should be written off. After this agreement the required haircut will be higher and, if no haircut happens, the Grexit will become a necessity and not an option. Then not only the haircut and the cost for European tax payers will be doubled, but also the risk of a progressive end of the Eurozone will be much higher.

Thank you very much, for this interview, Mr. Contagyris.

[Editor’s note: This interview was previously published here on the Real-World Economic Review Blog]

From: pp.2-3 of World Economics Association Newsletter 5(4), August 2015


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2 responses

  • Stuart Holland says:

    Athanase is entirely right
    As Alexis Tsipras made plain at a conference in Austin Texas in November 2013, though covered at the time mainly by the Greek rather than other international media, the negotiating base of Syriza with the EU would be The Modest Proposal, by Yanis Varoufakis and myself plus James Galbraith. This had force since, based on the Delors 1993 proposal for Eurobonds for recovery, and that both the EIB and the European Investment Fund, which I had proposed to Delors, could jointly issue these without counting on national debt. The EIB on the precedent that it could so this since 1958, and the EIF doing so by recycling global surpluses, which the BRICS offered that they would do in Washington in September 2014 if this were for a European Recovery Programme.
    None of this needed new institutions, Treaty revisions, national guarantees for the bonds or fiscal transfers between member states rather than recognition and action.
    As a presidential candidate François Hollande said he would do this both to mutualise member state debt and to promote a New Deal style European recovery. Michel Sapin also knew of and wanted to support the case. But any discussion of it was blocked on Ecofin by its chair Jeroen Dijsselbloem as the mouthpiece of Wolfgang Schäuble.
    The outcome, as Yanis recently has posted, has been that: ‘Only very recently, as a result of the Greek government’s intense negotiations with its creditors, did Europe’s citizens realize that the world’s largest economy, the eurozone, is run by a body that lacks written rules of procedure, debates crucial matters “confidentially” (and without minutes being taken), and is not obliged to answer to any elected body, not even the European Parliament’.
    What therefore is in question is not whether Syriza’s negotiating position was realistic, which it was, but whether Europe will submit both to an unjustified process of beggar-my-neighbour austerity and a German hegemony that neither Adenauer, nor Brandt, nor Kohl desired and the total dismissal of any role for national democracies.
    Which ranges wider than Greece, such as not only in the resurgence of nationalism in France and other EU member states but also in the question for voters in UK whether they should support an EU in a forthcoming referendum, which has deep historical resonances in terms of rejecting German pretensions for European hegemony.
    Stuart Holland
    Author inter alia of Europe in Question – and what to do about it, eBook Spokesman Press 2015. Available on Amazon

  • Chris Coles says:

    Some of you will have noted that on August 25th, 2015, Varoufakis repeated an earlier posting he had made on his web pages November 27, 2012: My own comment made that November 27, opened the subsequent debate; ending with these words:

    “Sow seeds without water and they die; sow the seeds of potential prosperity, (the innovative hard working small business job creators), into each and every small local community, the nation’s seedbed, right down at the grass roots; without access to essential freedom and the equity capital to permit them to succeed; and all potential prosperity will; inevitably, whither away and die too.

    Until that simple lesson sinks in; nothing will change.”

    Chris Coles
    The Capital Spillway Trust

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